# Regular bike helmet with an added light weight chin guard?



## KVW (Aug 11, 2011)

Anyone have any suggestions for a lightweight, more airy version of a mtb full face helmet? I own a Giro Remedy and a Bell Drop and they're just a hot mess when riding during the summers, especially on climbs.

I'm looking for these more airy, lightweight versions of helmets like so:



















Anyone have something like above they love? Something that doesn't cost your first born and is easily purchased online?


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## SamL3227 (May 30, 2004)

nope. i like my teeth. and i wouldnt trust one of those past the climb up.

but thats why they make backpacks that u can strap ur helmet to. 

urge makes an "enduro" FF helmet. but its not super cheap. and think about it, is your brain cheap? or your teeth?

DOT helmets are over rated but there is a reason that those flimsy half face helmets are not popular. inadequate protection. 


sorry if its not the answer u were looking for but you are asking the wrong questions.

even if your poor dont you think your brain bucket deserves something that will actually work?


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## KVW (Aug 11, 2011)

SamL3227 said:


> nope. i like my teeth. and i wouldnt trust one of those past the climb up.
> 
> but thats why they make backpacks that u can strap ur helmet to.
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> ...


While that's a valid argument, it would amaze me to find that there isn't at least SOME alternative that's decent while knowing it's not going to protect *as well* as a heavier helmet.

Here take a look at this video at the 3:35 mark. This professional rider reviews 3 helmets and ultimately recommends something exactly what I'm looking for:

Untitled on Vimeo

While I fully agree protection isn't something you should compromise with, it's been my experience that when something is uncomfortable, over time you'll find yourself just not wearing it and that's when you crash. At the very least, it's more than just your basic dome helmet which you see 99% of people using these days.


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## SamL3227 (May 30, 2004)

the 3rd helmet in middle at 3:57 mark is exactly what i mentioned.

the main problem with the helmets you provided pics for is that they dont attach to your noggin as well as a FF styled helmet. without any type of cheek padding or anything the front bar will impact whatever and then it will just impact your face. it might dissipate the force slightly but the whole point of the face bar is to keep that from actually happening.

that third helmet will be your best bet out of anything on the market IMO.


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## KVW (Aug 11, 2011)

SamL3227 said:


> the 3rd helmet in middle at 3:57 mark is exactly what i mentioned.
> 
> the main problem with the helmets you provided pics for is that they dont attach to your noggin as well as a FF styled helmet. without any type of cheek padding or anything the front bar will impact whatever and then it will just impact your face. it might dissipate the force slightly but the whole point of the face bar is to keep that from actually happening.
> 
> that third helmet will be your best bet out of anything on the market IMO.


Oh Ok I see what you're saying. The helmets above are just too damn light weight with no padding. So the million dollar question is, wtf helmet is that and where can i buy it?


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## SamL3227 (May 30, 2004)

indeed. because you can clearly see the cheek padding is still there and with the lower back coverage the helmet connects better to your head.

archienduro

that their website. ive heard they are hard to find in the states right now tho.

and btw. thats the BEST instructional video out there.


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## KVW (Aug 11, 2011)

SamL3227 said:


> indeed. because you can clearly see the cheek padding is still there and with the lower back coverage the helmet connects better to your head.
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> archienduro
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> ...


Appreciate the link and advice Sam. :thumbsup: Going to look in to sourcing that helmet somehow. And yah I downloaded that video to my phone so i can reference it and practice those techniques on the trail. I'm still a puss in the corners and jumps though, lol, I don't know how he feels so confident to rail those corners at such a high speed in that video. :skep:

BTW: Holy crap! That helmet is NOT cheap!!! 
archi-enduro | Buy Now at ChainReactionCycles.com


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## SamL3227 (May 30, 2004)

flat highspeed cornering is hard to get a handle on. tires make a big difference as well. try to find an even ground surface that you can practice on. over and over and over again. then some more. both sides.

some tires need to be leaned over more than other to really bite. ie wtb weirwolf. that tire especially will handle like complete poo if its not leaned over enough. its alot of fun when you can find the sweet spot because you can slide all over the place till you lean it over(huge disadvantage if the trail is tight and cant position bike correctly tho) 

and yeah. helmets are expensive. and if you smack one hard your gonna have to get another. buuuut better than trying to get a new brain right?


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## Porcelain (Sep 20, 2011)

I'm also looking for a lightweight full face helmet, and am currently leaning towards the POC Cortex Flow Helmet. Even though it's twice my budget, it seems to have universally awesome reviews, and it's designed as a multi-impact helmet, so maybe it will be cheaper in the long run. And it looks like I would be able to use my hydration pack while it's on, so if it's as cool as people say, it would meet all my requirements and I would actually wear it.

I can't post links yet, but you should be able to copy and paste this URL into your browser:
pocsports.com/en/product/1220/cortex-flow


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## Rapidtrax (Oct 12, 2007)

*Helmet Recommendadtion*

Honestly guys take it from someone that is paying the price for not wearing the proper gear. First let me state I am an avid rider and racer which excells at cross country and downhill.

Recently on a passive Sunday I went out for a x-country ride which contained your minor tree skinnies and drops. While riding in my basic styrofoam x-country brain bucket I went over the bars.

After three CAT scans, a banged up jaw and three broken teeth I will survive and recover but my pearly whites will never be the same.

If you think it will never ever happen to you, you my friend are a fool. I own two FF helemets. A Kali carbon and specialized and both were at home because this was just a simple easy cruzer ride. I have ridden the area of the accident many times without issue. It was just one of those days, a stick in the spoke, a rock dab, whatever. Well now i'll pay for the rest of my life.

If I could do it again I would gladly sweat my butt off in order to keep my face and teeth.

I wish more manufactures made FF x-counttry helmets. My recommendadtion is to get a *quality *FF helmet and be happy when you fall that your in one piece. Still, keep looking for a better vented or lighter helemt but *never ever *skimp on safety. Get a quality bucket and wear it till you find something better. Never shop by price on safety gear. Your body parts are worth more than a few hundred dollars. The helemts identified in the previous posts are fardly what I would call quality. Look for ANSI stanards or similiar at a minimum.


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## net wurker (Sep 13, 2007)

I just recently purchased a Archie-Enduro, and I absolutely love it. 

I live in Alabama and in the dog days of summer when it's pushing 100 degrees @ 90-95% humididty, I don't know if I will be able to wear it in those conditions or not. I have ridden in it recently while it was close to 85 degrees, and it was surprisingly not too hot to wear. But, the humidity isn't here yet.

Honestly, it feels every bit as safe to me as my specialized deviant, but soo much easier to wear. The chin bar is lower than a regular FF, so you can breath in fresh air easily. And, it's much lighter.

I could only wear the deviant on the coolest days, but this one I am hoping to be able to wear year-round.


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## wickedfn4u (Jan 4, 2008)

I went over the bars last year and I was hardly moving. I just caught a rock wrong with my front, crossed up and over I went. My first thought was as the top of my head was bouncing on the rocks was man I am glad I have a helmet on. After shaking it off and limping out I thought back on the crash. I was so lucky I did not hit my face as it was totally exposed. That got me thinking... I should wear a FF to protect my teeth/chin/nose. I started looking around and saw a range of ideas. From full on almost motorcross helmet (to hot to heavy) to the MET Parachute (Pictured in original post). I asked this same thing last year and got a lot of flame about go Remedy style or don't bother. My issue is heat. I bought a Remedy and love it and find it fine to wear so far. Sept through April so far. That is winter and much cooler and actually was nice. A friend had a Giro Switchblade to try on our 80 deg day and it was amazing how cooler my head was. 

My last ride ave speed was 7.2 and top speed in a fun smooth slalom down hill was 16. I know these are not intended for full on down hill racing but they seem a nice cross between XC and downhill. Money is not a factor as my face/brain is worth it. I just want somethinin frontnt of me in a low speed over the bar. If I was going to whistler it would be the Remedy for sure. 

I know they stopped making the Switchblbecauseuase I am sure people were using it as a DH and it was not designed for high speed impacts. Pumping through the woods seems different? Thoughts?


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## clydecrash (Apr 1, 2005)

I always keep in mind to dress for the crash, not the ride. For most of my riding (XC, trail, whatever), I wear a MET Parachute for those slow crashes I seem to like so much. Enough added protection to protect my face FOR SLOW CRASHES. It is a XC helmet with added bits, not a real FF helmet. I started wearing the Parachute when I barely tapped my front teeth on the ground during a slow crash. Seriously, just tapped, with no damage. That was enough for me to do something different, including spending a ridiculous amount of money for another XC helmet.

If I ride faster in the rough stuff, especially going down the hill (so far, too scared to do real downhill), then the Parachute will not be adequate. I also occasionally use a Specialized Deviant and a Giro Remedy. I think those offer adequate protection when going faster (and the possibly harder crashes), especially the Remedy.

It is uncomfortable when it is hot, but if you are constantly hitting it hard, a light, airy helmet, open or FF, will not be adequate to save the teeth, nose, or brain.


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## GTscoob (Apr 27, 2009)

Specialized Bicycle Components

Speshy Deviant seems like it will fit the bill. It's a highly vented full face. Not sure if it would hold up to DH racing but looks like it would be great for AM days.


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## Dubbl A Ron (Feb 8, 2012)

*Trying to think out of the box.....*

Just a thought - I have a Giro Remedy that I'm pretty happy with. Location and climate seem to be a big concern here - I'm in Plymouth, MA. Do I wear the Remedy every time I step out of the door? No. After reading the post from Rapidtrax, I may rethink my habits. I had never seen the MET Para. until this thread - it probably rides as cool as it looks. The chin guard philosophy had me thinking and then I happened to see the Gran Am race this last weekend (Belle Isle Park, MI) and noticed what the pit crews were wearing and I just did a quick Google search for "pit crew helmets" - the following article came up that yielded the most photos (I can't post a link yet), see Bleacher Report - 20 Coolest Pit Crew Helmets. I haven't done much more research into where the helmets come from or what certifications they have, but this may give someone who wants more air hitting their face while still getting some modicum of face protection. The Simpson Pit Warrior seems to pop up quite a bit (not DOT approved, so it's probably not as heavy as a full on motocross helmet). I'm sticking with what I have and hopefully keeping all my teeth. Good luck finding whatever it is that fits your needs.


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## O5-KR (May 15, 2012)

Have you seen Casco Viper MX? It is the one that I use and it is great for Enduro / AM. The chinguard can be removed while climbing without even stopping to do so.


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## ActivEric (Apr 29, 2010)

Has anyone worn a Met Parachute through a hard crash and came out of it relatively unscathed? I haven't read of anyone getting seriously injured while wearing that helmet. If it's used for it's intended purpose (just light cheek and chin protection) during a techy xc section, that seems like the helmet fulfilled its promise, no? I'm looking for a full face helmet, too that would give me a little extra assurance that I don't have to eat rock candy and lose my teeth.


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## stumpbumper (Dec 3, 2010)

I have considered the Met Parachute but cannot find a source in the U.S. I would like to try one but have a rather large head and would want to return for a refund if it does not fit.

Has anyone tried the Urge Archi-Enduro helmet?


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## stumpbumper (Dec 3, 2010)

Porcelain said:


> I'm also looking for a lightweight full face helmet, and am currently leaning towards the POC Cortex Flow Helmet. Even though it's twice my budget, it seems to have universally awesome reviews, and it's designed as a multi-impact helmet, so maybe it will be cheaper in the long run. And it looks like I would be able to use my hydration pack while it's on, so if it's as cool as people say, it would meet all my requirements and I would actually wear it.
> 
> I can't post links yet, but you should be able to copy and paste this URL into your browser:
> pocsports.com/en/product/1220/cortex-flow


Hey Porcelin.

I had seen photos of the POC Cortex Flow helmet and believe it is made in Sweden. I went to their website and searched for a dealer in the U.S. to no avail. Have you located a source in the U.S.? Thanks.


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## skidad (May 23, 2005)

OS-KR said:


> Have you seen Casco Viper MX? It is the one that I use and it is great for Enduro / AM. The chinguard can be removed while climbing without even stopping to do so.


This Casco does look like a possibility besides the MET Parachute for a lightweight XC all the time use helmet



















So does the Cratoni C Maniac and Shakedown


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## Bike Maverick (Jun 26, 2012)

Howdy!

I hope this is not highjacking, since I am talking about a similar helmet.

I have been doing some research for this kind of helmets also. However, in my case, it is for my 5 years old son. A couple weeks ago he fell from his bicycle and hit the chin on the ground first.
The result was a deep cut because the standard helmet did not cover that area. To make things worse, despite the quick emergency care and a few stitches his wound infected and now he's at home recovering slowly because the doctors say we need to keep the wound open to not infect again. Therefore, I think spending more on a helmet that can prevent this kind of hassle is more than worth it.

So, bottom line, I am looking for a lightweight helmet that fits a 5 years old head, who will not be doing any downhill riding for quite a while. Just the normal child riding, even though he likes to ride quick. The helmet should be light and also well ventilated since speed will not help ventilation. I also do not want him trying to pull it out because its too heavy or hot. We currently ride for 2 or more hours, so the wrong helmet will surely make him uncomrfortable.

I called Giro and they say there's nothing in their catalog for small children. 

I then found the MET Parachute but cannot find it here in US or even Canada, despite MET lists several dealers over there.

Any recommendations for children or experiences you may have on this topic? Thanks much in advance.


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## TheHarp (May 11, 2012)

Bike Maverick said:


> However, in my case, it is for my 5 years old son.


I got this one for my kid after he skinned up his face...not sure if it is still available.

Amazon.com: Mongoose Child Full Face Bike Helmet (Colors May Vary, Blue or Black): Sports & Outdoors


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## mestapho (Sep 3, 2011)

Bike Maverick said:


> Howdy!
> 
> I hope this is not highjacking, since I am talking about a similar helmet.
> 
> ...


I got a Bell full-face helmet from Walmart for my 5 yo son. It was like $30-40.


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## Tim-ti (Jul 27, 2005)

MET have just started US distribution through Tom Hall Enterprises.
The helmets are not yet shown on the website, so I don't know if they're going to carry the Parachute. If you call them, please let us know on the forum.

p.s. The Parachute is the bottom photo in the original post.


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## DimitrisCSD (Jan 16, 2012)

I use a cratoni shakedown and I love it. It's light and yet really solid. The chin isn't as strong as a normal fullface helmet of course, but it has managed to save my teeth a couple of times so I'm happy with it.


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## skidad (May 23, 2005)

DimitrisCSD said:


> I use a cratoni shakedown and I love it. It's light and yet really solid. The chin isn't as strong as a normal fullface helmet of course, but it has managed to save my teeth a couple of times so I'm happy with it.


How is the venting on the Shakedown? Is it something you could pedal with all day as a XC/AM lid and not boil in? Not available in the US as far as I know and neither is the C-Maniac or Casco Viper MX which also interest me.

Also, how does the mouthguard piece attach and is it secure? Quick disconnect?

Thanks


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## DimitrisCSD (Jan 16, 2012)

skidad said:


> How is the venting on the Shakedown? Is it something you could pedal with all day as a XC/AM lid and not boil in? Not available in the US as far as I know and neither is the C-Maniac or Casco Viper MX which also interest me.
> 
> Also, how does the mouthguard piece attach and is it secure? Quick disconnect?
> 
> Thanks


I've done all day epic rides under the Greek sun (up to ~35 Celcius) wearing that thing and my head did not feel like it was boiling at all. The ventilation is sufficient for a full face helmet, but when I bought it I intentionally chose a light coloured one with that in mind.

As for the chin part, it's held in place by 4 allen screws, 2 on each side and I would say that it is extra secure. It's not a matter of seconds to remove, but if you have the appropriate allen key with you, it does not take more than a minute and a half maybe to remove.


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## skidad (May 23, 2005)

DimitrisCSD said:


> I've done all day epic rides under the Greek sun (up to ~35 Celcius) wearing that thing and my head did not feel like it was boiling at all. The ventilation is sufficient for a full face helmet, but when I bought it I intentionally chose a light coloured one with that in mind.
> 
> As for the chin part, it's held in place by 4 allen screws, 2 on each side and I would say that it is extra secure. It's not a matter of seconds to remove, but if you have the appropriate allen key with you, it does not take more than a minute and a half maybe to remove.


Excellent info and yeah I know it can get super hot in Greece (35 Celsius = 95F here) I like that the mouthpiece is secured with screws as I have no intention of removing it.

Any vents in the back or only on top? Cant seem to find and 360 degree views of this helmet. How is the sizing?

Thanks


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## Bike Maverick (Jun 26, 2012)

Thanks! I contacted MET directly and they said the Parachute will not fit a five years old. 
I'm checking the other brands you suggested. Cheers!


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## DimitrisCSD (Jan 16, 2012)

skidad said:


> Excellent info and yeah I know it can get super hot in Greece (35 Celsius = 95F here) I like that the mouthpiece is secured with screws as I have no intention of removing it.
> 
> Any vents in the back or only on top? Cant seem to find and 360 degree views of this helmet. How is the sizing?
> 
> Thanks


There's plenty of ventilation all over the place. As I said, I don't think it can get any better for a full face helmet. In the link below you can see some of the venting holes on top as well as sizes and colours. I'm using a L/XL helmet as the medium I tried placed the chin guard to close to my nose. This one is perfect.

Cratoni Shakedown Helmet 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com


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## EliminatorMTB (Apr 28, 2009)

Rapidtrax said:


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> 
> If you think it will never ever happen to you, you my friend are a fool. I own two FF helemets. A Kali carbon and specialized and both were at home because this was just a simple easy cruzer ride. I have ridden the area of the accident many times without issue. It was just one of those days, a stick in the spoke, a rock dab, whatever. Well now i'll pay for the rest of my life.
> 
> If I could do it again I would gladly sweat my butt off in order to keep my face and teeth.


Last week I went out for a normal XC training ride nothing too exciting.... I was coming down some small ledges, ended up over the bars and landing on a rock chin first. I ended up with stitches, fractured jaw, and due to a condition I have I lost my hearing. I'm recovering now and so is my hearing, but the only way I can ever consider riding again is with better protection.

You never plan on going out and getting into accident, otherwise it wouldn't be an accident... For me the impact of losing my hearing was all too real and the effect that would have on my life. Considering the circumstances of my crash, it was more bad luck than anything although it could have been a lot worse.

I'm interested to see what anyone comes up with.


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## skidad (May 23, 2005)

DimitrisCSD said:


> There's plenty of ventilation all over the place. As I said, I don't think it can get any better for a full face helmet. In the link below you can see some of the venting holes on top as well as sizes and colours. I'm using a L/XL helmet as the medium I tried placed the chin guard to close to my nose. This one is perfect.
> 
> Cratoni Shakedown Helmet 2012 | Buy Online | ChainReactionCycles.com


Yup, I've seen those pictures of the helmet all over the web. Can't find any from the back. Could you possibly snap a few pictures from the back to see the venting setup? It's amazing I can't find anything after searching for an hour or more. If anybody can find a back view of the Shakedown helmet I'd appreciate it.

All these stories of smashed up faces, broken teeth, jaws, hearing loss, stitches, etc......all from a routine ride (not DH) have me feeling nervous with just my Fox Flux and I've been over the bars 2 times in the last couple weeks. Years of dirt bike riding with a full face helmet have me wanting a full face bike helmet that I can ride with all day.


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## stumpbumper (Dec 3, 2010)

I just bought an Urge Archi-Enduro and after receiving some assistance from someone who knows a lot more about full-face helmet fitting than I do, I really like it. I realize it does not offer the protection of a full-blown FF design but it should protect my head and face better then the regular MTB helmet I have been wearing. I have now worn it twice on rides of about 15 miles during 90 degree temps and while it is not as cool as my regular helmet, adequate venting makes it bearable. I noticed the heat a lot more during the first ride so apparantly I am becoming accustomed to less airflow.

I may eventually switch to something offering even more protection but for now the Urge helmet is a step in the right direction for someone who has neve before worn a FF helmet.

Use the quick-link below for a look and description.

urge archi-enduro helmet - Bing Images


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## DimitrisCSD (Jan 16, 2012)

skidad said:


> Yup, I've seen those pictures of the helmet all over the web. Can't find any from the back. Could you possibly snap a few pictures from the back to see the venting setup? It's amazing I can't find anything after searching for an hour or more. If anybody can find a back view of the Shakedown helmet I'd appreciate it.
> 
> All these stories of smashed up faces, broken teeth, jaws, hearing loss, stitches, etc......all from a routine ride (not DH) have me feeling nervous with just my Fox Flux and I've been over the bars 2 times in the last couple weeks. Years of dirt bike riding with a full face helmet have me wanting a full face bike helmet that I can ride with all day.


There you go. Normal laptop webcam, did not have anything better. Hope it works for you


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## skidad (May 23, 2005)

Perfect :thumbsup: Thank you so much

By any chance did you consider or look at the C-Maniac? Little lighter duty perhaps and even more vented.


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## O5-KR (May 15, 2012)

I am writing from the mobile so sorry if already said:

The Met Parachute is the most used in my group: It works, I can tell you. The chinguard is not thought to be detached from the helmet in the middle of a route, since you need to stop and use a screwdriver. However is very well vented and you can drink from the camelback quite well. The chinguard is quite close to the mouth so in case of impact you can still get some superficial damage.

The Casco Vipper Mx is The one I use with a great chinguard that can be removed easily on hot days and wear it in the backpack or as sport glasses (see picture below) hanging on the chest. You hardly notice it. It works very well, the other day for the first time I felt and impacted frontally with the chinguard on a rock. I heard a clear "clong" but the chinguard did the job and nothing touched my mouth.

The cratoni is light but the chinguard is flexible. I can not tell if it can absorb the impact fully,

As said many times, we always talk about enduro, not FR or DH, and I do not feel too optmistic in case the impact comes from below the chin. In the case of the Parachute I also feel scared about the posibility of a branch finding its way through the chinguard.

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## Froggystyle (Aug 27, 2004)

ActivEric said:


> Has anyone worn a Met Parachute through a hard crash and came out of it relatively unscathed? I haven't read of anyone getting seriously injured while wearing that helmet. If it's used for it's intended purpose (just light cheek and chin protection) during a techy xc section, that seems like the helmet fulfilled its promise, no? I'm looking for a full face helmet, too that would give me a little extra assurance that I don't have to eat rock candy and lose my teeth.


I am on my second Met Parachute and love it... about to buy the upgraded new version.

I did an endo in a rock garden and knocked two front teeth out riding with a traditional XC helmet years ago, and went on the hunt. I landed on the Parachute, which is unavailable in the US obviously.

My first hard get-off in the Met was in another rock garden. Face should have been hamburger, but it wasn't. Helmet was trashed, rock smashes in the top and sides and a broken chin bar. No facial damage though. I was sold.

I'm on my second which I am just wearing out after four hard years taking very good care of it.

Best thing about it IMO is other than the crash protection, it offers significant protection against branches and other crap like that. Lots. Traveling down wooded single track it is a huge bonus.

In the US, you can order them from Chain Reaction Cycles in Britain, and they will ship it here. The new version isn't out until April... so I will keep clicking refresh until then.

My whole crew rides with them, so we usually buy five at a time and have a big (light) packaged shipped.

The MET Parachute full-face helmet is back!


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## vikb (Sep 7, 2008)

Rapidtrax said:


> Honestly guys take it from someone that is paying the price for not wearing the proper gear. First let me state I am an avid rider and racer which excells at cross country and downhill.
> 
> Recently on a passive Sunday I went out for a x-country ride which contained your minor tree skinnies and drops. While riding in my basic styrofoam x-country brain bucket I went over the bars.
> 
> ...


I'm sorry to hear about your accident and I hope you have a speedy recovery.

I just want to point out that the fact this kind of accident happens sometimes does not make it a risk folks are foolish for not addressing. Most of our risk assessments are based on irrational fear not a rational assessment of probabilities and severity of risks.

Just as an example one of the most dangerous places to be in terms of head injuries is the bathroom. If we were really concerned about mitigating risks to our heads we'd focus on a place like that because it really is dangerous, but because it's a common part of our daily life it is seen as innocuous. Installing non-slip flooring and wearing protective head gear would help, but nobody cares about it because bathrooms aren't dangerous.

In the same way if you drive your car on a highway to ride your MTB that part of your day is quite dangerous [despite seatbelts and air bags] yet nobody keeps their helmets on in the car to and from the trails.

Not saying you shouldn't wear whatever protective gear you want, but trying to put the bigger picture in focus as well.


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